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Rating something as "Poor" is relative to the application

Hi,
I agree for the scenario you painted, which is highly transactional, Notes is not up to that in its present form. The Notes datastore (inside the NSF) is optimized for unstructured data. This makes it ideal for some things, and yet "poor" for other things. I wouldn't say its "poor" across the board in general. In various Notes training 101 course they talk about what Notes is and what its good for. They use an airline booking application (lots of realtime transactions) as an example of an application that is outside the scope of Notes.
What is required to extend Notes to the type of transactional applications you are referring to is an RDB backend. NSFDB2 was an attempt to go there. You can do additional things using LCLSX which can talk to an external DB. I am unclear if the LCLSX api has transations and rollbacks, but I recall seeing that at one time. Whether the next iteration of xpages with the ability to talk to external non-Domino data will make Notes/Domino a candidate for transacdtional applications like you describe is yet to be seen. Possibly those on the Notes Dev team who are working on the external data programming while I write this will be able to shed light on this. However, I doubt they can share freely at this time as I suspect IBM will not want to deliver too much info on this prematurely, until they determine exactly how far the implementation can go because they are already feeling the heat from those customers who put their eggs into the NSFDB2 basket and feel they were burned. I supposed that's what this thread is about ultimately...to jolt IBM into responding with their plan.


Feedback response number WEBB7NVLPX created by ~Gus Chukikonyoni on 02/02/2009

DB2NSF replacement (~Judy Destookon... 29.Jan.09)
. . Does this mean that DB2 integration... (~Elizabeth Cish... 29.Jan.09)
. . . . . . xpages can incorporate DB2 access (Roland Reddekop... 2.Feb.09)
. . . . . . . . . . Toy or Trojan? (Roland Reddekop... 2.Feb.09)
. . NSFDB2 plans (~Tate Nonkizenl... 29.Jan.09)
. . . . I would suggest that you didn't tal... (~Dana Chulumarf... 29.Jan.09)
. . . . I need View Contention to go away (~Chris Bubfreep... 29.Jan.09)
. . . . . . Writing out to RDBMS (~Dana Chulumarf... 29.Jan.09)
. . . . how would you handle huge #docs and... (~Tanita Asaboos... 29.Jan.09)
. . . . Domino is a repository (~Olga Asaponeso... 2.Feb.09)
. . . . . . Domino/Notes is really business wor... (~Isaac Quetnute... 20.Feb.09)
. . . . . . use the rigth design (Ioan Crisan 20.Feb.09)
. . . . the second Garnet move (~Judy Destookon... 29.Jan.09)
. . . . . . NSFDB2 support available until 2017... (~Tate Nonkizenl... 29.Jan.09)
. . . . . . . . Query views...but requesting which ... (~Nicole Minaber... 30.Jan.09)
. . . . . . . . . . use the agent trigger "when docs ar... (Ioan Crisan 20.Feb.09)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . actually this one is (Ioan Crisan 24.Feb.09)
. . . . . . . . . . transactions (Pejman Parandi 2.Feb.09)
. . There's more discussion on NSF's po... (~Sanjay Quettum... 29.Jan.09)
. . . . the backend is poor (~Judy Destookon... 2.Feb.09)
. . . . . . Rating something as "Poor" is relat... (~Gus Chukikonyo... 2.Feb.09)
. . . . . . . . . . The idea has long history... (Vladimir Panov 3.Feb.09)
. . . . . . . . . . . . That's very interesting... (~Sanjay Quettum... 3.Feb.09)
. . . . . . . . NSF versus a relational DB (~Sanjay Quettum... 2.Feb.09)
. . . . . . . . . . YES WE CAN :)) (~Judy Destookon... 3.Feb.09)
. . . . . . . . simple applications need relational... (~Judy Destookon... 3.Feb.09)
. . . . . . . . . . LMAO (~Naomi Deskrote... 4.Feb.09)
. . . . . . . . . . . . obscured by clouds (~Judy Destookon... 5.Feb.09)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . "Happy with what I already have" (~Naomi Deskrote... 7.Feb.09)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . LMAO at "chasing with a pitchfork" (~Sanjay Quettum... 8.Feb.09)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . dynamic queries, triggers ... (~Judy Destookon... 10.Feb.09)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Normalization (~Naomi Deskrote... 10.Feb.09)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . pet store application (~Judy Destookon... 10.Feb.09)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Defining your own limitations (~Naomi Deskrote... 12.Feb.09)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . eCommerce web sites (~Judy Destookon... 13.Feb.09)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I don't think you're clear on the m... (~Naomi Deskrote... 13.Feb.09)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . fact = market <eom> (~Judy Destookon... 13.Feb.09)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . by the way (~Judy Destookon... 10.Feb.09)
. . . . . . . . . . Trivial (~Naomi Deskrote... 4.Feb.09)
. . . . . . . . . . . . db2nsf (~Judy Destookon... 5.Feb.09)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Agreed (~Sanjay Quettum... 5.Feb.09)
. . . . . . . . . . . . Resolving keys in a view (~Olga Asaponeso... 5.Feb.09)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Yesterday's complaint (~Naomi Deskrote... 7.Feb.09)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . NSFDB2 helped Lotusscript programme... (Nathan T. Freem... 10.Feb.09)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . pureXML (Pejman Parandi 10.Feb.09)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The query views work in all version... (Bruce Lill 24.Feb.09)




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